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 Post subject: Clematis and shade?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:08 am 
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Actually I'm looking for any vine - not necessarily clematis - that will perform well with no sun at all. Not deep shade, but no direct sun.

Does anyone have a clematis growing in a spot that never sees even a minute of direct sunlight and still flowers reasonably well?

Or (belongs in another forum, I know but...) can you suggest another short climber that will do well in those conditions, look attractive and be reliably hardy. Doesn't have to flower if the leaves are nice. Something other than a variegated ivy, which will be my last resort.

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A favorite of mine is Parthenocissus henryana.

http://www.gardenvines.com/catalog/part ... p-178.html


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Carol, that's perfect! And I've already found a German source. Thank you!

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That's very pretty, I wonder how it would be as a ground cover?


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Have you tried clematis Ramona? I have it on the fence in the backyard. It is under the shade of the neighbour's big old ash and under the expanding canopy of my red oak. It gets bright indirect light but no direct sun and does quite well. This picture was taken last week from the office window:
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It does look very good! I've never tried Ramona, but your photo gives me hope. I am inclined to try clematis first and if it is a disappointment then to go to the parthenocissus, which, from what I've since read, might be difficult to keep small enough.

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'Nothing ventured, nothing gained' is one of my mottos! To the left you can see another clematis is covering the fence. That's a small flowered, scented white one that will be blooming shortly. Last year on this forum Dan tentatively IDed is as Paul Farges/Summer Snow. That would be worth a try too I think.

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I have Paul Farges growing elsewhere, part of it in the sun, part in the shade. The sunny part flowers first, the shady part follows later but with equal enthusiasm. But PF is a monster. It would grow much too big for the space I want to fill.

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Mara,
P. henryana is much less vigorous than others of its genus. I don't know if there's an equivalent to our USDA zones there (things can be different even if you have the same low) but I can tell you it doesn't get out of hand in zone 6b and I think its still behaved in 7a.

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Dan, I didn't realise there could be a hardiness problem. The thing has to grow in a (large) planter so its roots will be more exposed to frost than if it were in the ground.

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My research suggests it's a borderline 6 but that may not end up being the final answer.

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Haven't been here in a while so don't know if you have solved this problem yet Mara.

Paul Farges is a huge nuisance for me these days. I need to spend a long time cutting my two back and they seem to enjoy spreading on the ground rather than upwards on the fence.

The clematis I have in shade take longer to establish and bloom. This year Elvan did very well!


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 Post subject: Re: Clematis and shade?
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one thing i do is plant early bloomers in the shady areas, as they bloom before the area is socked in with shade. in the early spring many areas have more sun than later in the summer. the plants will be ok in a shadier aspect if they have the sun while building to bloom period.
so clems that do well here in a shady location are nelly moser, gillian blades, alabast (poulala), macropetala markhams pink, otto frobel, anything that blooms on the early side.
also light bi colors do better in partial shade. sugar candy, nelly m as mentioned and carnaby all hole color better if not in full sun.

hope this helps.


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