Hello everyone,
Just thought I would share some pics of some new Haworthias that jumped into my cart this past week.

I've never seen a variegated Haworthia around here before, so I grabbed this one (it was the only one in the shipment!).

One is sending up a bloom stalk.


Enjoy!

breton

Hi Breton,
Nice haul!! certainly that variegated one.

the left one might be this:


Mu neighbour id-ed it as H. retusa, but Jen said it is H. mutica.

greets Harry

very, very nice, breton!!!

i so love the haworthia...i'm just not successful at growing them. so, i enjoy them via others - can't wait to see the pic of that flower when it opens!!

Great find Breton,
And a variegated one too, that's great. I love those with the translucent windows like that on the left. Take a pic when it blooms.

H. retusa and H mutica only ~ 100 km apart.
Harry,
I believe your's is a mutica of some sort and Bretton's a form of retusa. The bloom will tell.

Keep in mind that mega grown plants have a good possibility of Xing.

Bretton,
Nice group. I grow most of mine in the house and they are very easy to keep going.

Joclyn,
Trouble growing Haworthia? What happens?
Most are pretty forgiving.

Happy Day,
AZED

Hi, Breton. Nice new ones! I love cart-jumpers...they pretty much FORCE you to take them home. I vote for H. mutica on that one in discussion. Mine looks JUST like that (I also have H. retusa, and it seems to be slightly (VERY slightly) more 'rough' overall.



I am curious about this, too, Joclyn. Haworthias are one of the ONLY plants that I don't have an amazing kill record with over the course of my succulent obsession. Maybe they don't do well in your climate? My climate is very similar to Ed's (except cold in the winter...they live inside from late October to early March here). I CAN tell you they like to get completely dry between waterings. Maybe this year will be better for you and Haworthias!

Katie

P.S. If you PM me, I can probably send you some Haworthia pups in the spring for postage, if you're interested.

Ed, what are the differences in the flowers?
Most haworthia flowers look the same to me...

Peyton

I wrote a really long response rt. after Dan's, but must've turned off before hitting the submit button Arrgh! Maybe back tomorrow.

Thanks for the responses everyone! The retusa/mutica type is suddenly everywhere in big-box stores here, supplied by Sorensons. I will post a picture of the bloom when it opens. Does anyone have any suggestions for the one on the right?

Nice haul, Breton! Love those cart jumpers!

I think that one is Haworthia mutica (ssp. mutica, maybe) as well. Earlier, I thought so till I saw the close-up detail with the tiny teeth. Then, I checked mine with a magnifying glass & see it has tiny teeth! (I've seen others refer to ones like these as retusa & mirabilis)

My H. mutica & flowers of it:


I'm sure I could find H. retusa & blooms around somewhere too...but not right now.

I have a variegated H. fasciata like yours. Al gave it to me. Mine doesn't have as nice the colors it once had. I must not be giving it the SOS treatment.

I keep getting sidetracked! Eek! thought I had submitted this one hours ago!

I was thinking that one in the front, right looks like Haworthia tortuosa, but it could be something else.
How does this close-up compare with yours?
http://www.cactusland.com.au/photos/ima ... %20web.jpg

If you don't use it I find this site to help in many instances. Don't neglect to click on the New Stuff link.
Enough info to keep you busy for awhile.

http://www.haworthia.com/index.htm

Hope it helps,
AZED

It certainly has the skin of tortuosa but think it is something else too... a hybrid perhaps.

To the best of my knowledge, Haworthia mutica does not have any teeth on the leaves...
Also, the leaf tips are usually rounded (hence the name mutica), not sharply pointed as in Breton's plant...
And H. mutica is usually not very proliferous...
So I don't think these plants can be true H. mutica...
but they could be hybrids with some mutica parentage perhaps...

Anyone know of a good source that explains the differences in haworthia flowers?

Peyton

In Bayer's 'Haworthia Revisited', there's a shot of H. mutica var. nigra that does have small marginal teeth.
There's mention that the flower bracts are purplish-veined in mutica, but that was in comparison with the greenish veins of pygmaea's. I don't know about retusa's bracts...or what effect light may have on that property. (The description was of plants in situ, of course.)
I agree about the amount of hybridizing in large commercial operations...but then again, some of that goes on in nature when pollinating insects get caught up in high winds and taken far from "home". It seem that few of Haw. species' features are carved in stone, and sometimes a best guess is all we can get.

...oh yeah... H. tortuosa is what came to my mind for the other one, too. (I've also got a H. sordida X agavoides that looks similar.) However, Bayer doesn't accept the name, and at a quick look I didn't see it on Breuer's list either.

I have this one to add. H. X Tortuosa.
harry

Hi Jen,

I was hoping you would chime in with your haworthia knowledge...
I have also noticed a few teeth here and there on mutica pics, as well as a few with pointed leaves and even a leaf-tip awn occasionally.

The more I read about haws, the more it seems like variability is the norm...
Even the few experts disagree a lot, but if I had to go with one I would take Bayer over the others...
guess I need to start getting his books...

Regarding the pics in this thread, I have seen this same retusoid plant discussed on various forums for years with no clear answer to the proper ID, with either retusa or mutica suggestions, but to me the combination of plentiful teeth and pups points to something other than pure H. mutica....
I think I have this same clone hanging around somewhere - I'll have to check it for the purple veins next time it flowers.

Peyton

Looks like purplish veins?

Peyton

What a great haul, Breton - are you up for a trade? I have H. cooperi x obtusa , H. margaritafera, H. cymbiformis and one I thought was H. fasciata, but I've seen one identical/similar labeled as H. attenuata.

Should she even repot them first?

Breton,

That's a nice haul there - I hope we'll find some more surprises southward that will add to that.

Blue Fox,
Thank you for the offer, but I am not interested in any of those Haworthias at the moment.

And thanks Jeff!

Has anyone got a copy of Rudolf Schulz book on Hawarthias .
It is out now.
I plan to get a copy soon.
If it is up to his usual standard , it should be excellent.

regards

DD

Anyone know why tortuosa is not an accepted name anymore?
It was originally published by Adrian Haworth in 1812 according to IPNI.

And I see that the Tropicos plant name database now has Haworthia in the Xanthorrhoeaceae family?!
http://www.tropicos.org/NameSubordinate ... d=42000379
Anyone know what's up with that?
To cross a haw with an Australian grass tree - now that would be a strange bigeneric hybrid...

Peyton

They're both monocots

The APG recommendation is for Xanthorrhoeaceae to cover both Xanthorrhoea and the genera from Asphodelaceae (mostly succulents such as Haworthia, Aloe, and Bulbine) and Hemerocallidaceae (mostly non-succulents such as Hemerocallis and Phormium), but it recognises that these families can also be kept separate. which is how you'll usually see it.

Previously, Haworthia was included in the family Liliaceae, but is now considered unrelated and not even in the same Order.

I DO NOW!


I had looked online & only saw it offered in your country (DU), NZ & Europe. I had e-mailed a place here, but never heard back from them. Found the book at the SDCSS show/sale yesterday & snatched it up!

Once home, flipped through it quickly, started reading bits & pieces, flipped more-DROOLING over the photos, found info contrary to what I had thought/known...flipped more, gazing at the eye candy, read some more...had to do other stuff, so "later" I'll have to read through again!

Breton, one thing I found, was a pic of your plant -that I thought was H. mutica (tiny teeth & all). They have it listed as: A compact form of H. retusa var. retusa with short leaves. Normally the leaf tips are more pointed.

Also interesting to note it says Bayer (2008) has placed H. turgida into H. retusa, so now there are 4 varieties (H. retusa v. retusa, H. v. longibracteata, H. v. suberecta, H. v. turgida.) This will cause me great confusion for a long while, I'm sure.

With this book, maybe now I can figure out some of MY unnamed guys!



Peyton, in the back of Rudolf's book, it has H. tortuosa as: a hybrid of Haworthia attenuata var. glabrata. The page where they show the pic, the name they show is H. "tortuosa".

I knew you would like it Rosemarie

I have not collected mine yet.

I know Rudolph sought the names of persons from this forum that may wish to contribute.

Did any member gain a mention

dd

I LOVE it!

I know Rosava was asking on our forum for Aeonium pix when Rudolf was making that book and I believe Brad had some of his pix published in it. But I don't think they asked here for Haworthia pix. Our forum isn't listed in the index either as places to go for Haw info (as we are not known to discuss them here as much anymore), as was listed for the Aeonium book.

Haopeng Li is listed as a photo contributor, but I'm not sure it is the same person as our member. He is a Haworthia (Nut) enthusiast, so it could be him. Steve Hammer, who lives in this area, was also a contributor. I recognize many of the other names, but they aren't from our forum.

Thanks for the info Rosemarie! I'll have to get a copy of that book! Now, tell us what else you got at the Show! Did you fill your cart?

My SO got me a Haworthia for V-day, it appears to be the same one we were discussing! He is developing very good taste in plants!

I was able to resist many cart jumpers, knowing I have to PIG many of my little wards at home first. I did have half a dozen come home with me. I'd be posting pix long before this, but I'm have issues with my new external HD & little space on my puter to transfer pix. So, they will be coming asap!

Stuff I bought:
Haworthia scabra
Pelargonium appendiculatum
2 Crassula 'Buddha's Temple' (1 fell out of pot-not rooted )
Alluadia (altho' vendor said it was a Euphorbia)
Echeveria subrigida

More about it all later!

Good job on your SO getting you a Haw for V-Day! Woohoo!